Comments on Magistra Ygraine's Various Satanic Rants: The Worst of the Worst: Joy Of Satan

There is a lot wrong with this group, but encourag...

2009-11-15T18:04:05.669-08:00

There is a lot wrong with this group, but encouraging teens to join is not one of them. I'm always amazed by how Pagans and other fringe spiritual/religious/philosophical groups try to protect themselves by pretending that 18 actually means something. Legal guardians are just that -- LEGAL guardians. Not spiritual, not moral, not anything else. Nobody owns anyone -- and that includes parents. To disobey a shitty parent is as immoral as jaywalking on an abandoned street, and shitty parents do not have to be dictionary-definition abusive. There is such a thing as cruelty that nonetheless falls outside the bounds of legislation, and lots of parents practice it. So, as a really liberal, irreligious person who respects human autonomy, I do not respect the notion of it being wrong to ever step into the life of a minor when the parent doesn't want you to. There's a lot of grey area between utterly brainwashing a child and helping someone under the age of eighteen to explore paths his or her parent isn't into.

I see where you are coming from. And for the reco...

2009-10-18T23:15:36.066-07:00

I see where you are coming from.

And for the record, I am not standing up for the things about JoS that DO subvert authority (I honestly have not seen them yet) or for the neo-Nazi beliefs. I am doing this as a Theistic Satanist, not a Jos-er.

I am a little upset though that the main viewpoint on Satanism in general is the Church Of Satan as it is essentially an anti-Church, and more like a social elite network. I have read many things by
LeVay and he does have some intelligent philosophies on life in general, but I personnally do not agree with him spiritually.

I have to say as someone who started out with The Satanic Bible, and jumped in from there, the Church of Satan was a HUGE letdown, expensive to join, clergy VERY elite. Based solely on non-Satanic (my opinion) aspects of personal achievements.

I do wish to understand why they feel obligated to charge to join any church? A church in essence is a service to the community AND runs by charity. Satanism might get a more satisfactory view if it wasn't a "elite" or Rich mans organization (no offense).

Your ignorance demonstrates my point. Christians ...

2009-10-18T08:05:25.783-07:00

Your ignorance demonstrates my point.

Christians try very hard to force kids and teens into their beliefs. ... This is because they want to control your mind.They don't want you to think for yourself."

I dislike Christianity just as much as you or anyone on the LHP BUT you are ignoring the nature of parenting---the NATURAL, evolutionary facts that are not exclusive to Christians but to all.

OK...look at it this way--no one picks a religion they believe to be second best. Peoiple choose the religion they believe to be right. Therefore, a Christian firmly BELIEVES in Heaven and Hell and all that other bullshit, and because they love their children and wish to prevent those loved children from feeling pain they indoctrinate those kids into the religion they believe to be right. To do anything else would be wrong! To NOT indoctrinate them would be taking a chance of eternal destruction---it would mean they don't actually love and care for their kids.

This is human nature.

This is evolutionary programming.

Thiw IS NOT only what Christians do, but what all loving parents do---right or wrong.

Now, Joy of Satan literally attempts to deny and circumvent that natural process. They want to diminish the rights of parents and thereby reduce the protective component parents provide....and yes...there are multitudes of shitty parents of every religion out there, no shit, BUT that does not give JoS the right to not be attacked for their stance.

As a Satanist, as a parent, I have the right to challenge them, and I have granted you the right to publish your ideas on my pages.

Y~

Promotes itself to kids? And it does not circumven...

2009-10-18T00:19:34.378-07:00

Promotes itself to kids? And it does not circumvent parental control.

As long as you are under 18, you are not free, nor do you have the same rights as an adult. Whoever is taking care of you, your parents or a relative or guardian, they have power over you.

Christians try very hard to force kids and teens into their beliefs. This is because you are young and don't have enough knowledge and experience from living and they know this. They don't let you explore both sides or other religions. This is because they want to control your mind. They don't want you to think for yourself. Many have hurt and abused children because this is what their religion teaches. If you are living in a Christian household, you have to be careful when you explore religions that Christians are taught to hate. ---www.joyofsatan.org.

Wow that is so ant authority. And gee, remember Columbine, those SOCIOPATHS swore allegiance to Marilyn Manson AND the COS. Now who are the sociopaths?

And guess what, if I choose to believe in Satan as an entity then so be it. I see now why neopagans etc HATE Satanists, because your beloved Church of Atheists calls them stupid and claims to be elite.

I can believe what I want and state my opinions freely. So can you, but to use the name of Father Satan to justify being a egotistical atheist is Unethical.

If you believe in a literal being called Satan you...

2009-10-17T15:52:22.273-07:00

If you believe in a literal being called Satan you're nuts. I don't need much more input.

Your support of a racist organization that interferes with parental controls and promotes itself to children simply confirms your nuts status.

Bye.

Sociopathy.... The proof for any form of SRA or hi...

2009-10-13T08:52:11.287-07:00

Sociopathy.... The proof for any form of SRA or higher acts of violence among Satanists is unfounded. Research more before you attack. You read the proof before you act like I am nuts

"slapping Satan in the face?" Yup. That is what ...

2009-10-13T08:46:44.903-07:00

"slapping Satan in the face?" Yup. That is what I do when I am not committing sodomy on the Easter Bunny or sending hate mail to Santa Claus. Every now and then I drive Harry Potter to Atlantis and have races with unicorns and orgies with the seven dwarfs.

And even that ridiculous need for a higher power/god/deity for you to kneel before isn't as bad as the anti-Semitic drivel, the lack of loyalty and responsibility and the dozens of other things where you use Satanism as an excuse to justify sociopathy: JUST LIKE THE CHRISTIANS ACCUSE US OF.

You are a cliche.
You are a stereotype.
In a truly Satanic world you'd be very dead.

Typical drivel from a COS lackey.... I hate to tel...

2009-10-12T23:35:32.703-07:00

Typical drivel from a COS lackey.... I hate to tell you.... Wait no I dont, the COS is just a money hoarding organization slapping Satan in the face. Sad. Really it is.

HAIL SATAN!

"Practical Satanism"In my continued research into ...

2008-11-29T13:04:00.000-08:00

"Practical Satanism"

In my continued research into Joy of Satan this popped up:
http://www.blogger.com/profile/13136252786097714338

By:
http://practicalsatanism.blogspot.com/

Below is the exchange:
Y: What is PRACTICAL about being a reverse Christian? What is practical about teaching teens to become liars? What is practical about being an anti-semite? What is practical about making god red with horns, but still dropping on your knees to "worship?"
The Joy of Satan is neither practical OR Satanism. It is low rent, horror movie inspired devil worship. It is dangerous, irresponsible and a complete embarrassment to real Satanists and the valid religion of Satanism.
JS: I guess if you took the time to read what the practical satanism is about you would not have attacked me hypocrite.
1:12 AM
Y: Nope. Reading it is precisely what elicited my response.
If you say this: "We DO NOT advocate or participate in any blood or living sacrifice. "
Then why is there a demand to use blood in your contract to Satan?
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/SATANIC.html
So, you do not understand what practical means, and you lie.
Of course, that is what Joy of Satan teaches:
"Father Satan states in the Black Book we are to keep his secrets!"
It is all good. Christians lie about their God all the time. If you'd all just admit you are Christians who like the bad guy, at least you'd have basis.
You are not, however, Satanists.
JS: First of all it's a link, I am not personally involved with the authors of this page, second of
all Satan is a mythical being and use of Satan is only as a representation of the satanic ideal of evil, third of all Satan does not exist nor does the Xian god, they are Xian names that were created to use in the religion of xianity and Jesus most likely never existed either, if indeed he did exist he was no miracle man. I personally am Sumerian which are the first god(s) ever before any other gods and the creator of humans never asked to be worshiped or anything of the such because he loved us as equals to himself, he never judged us and he saved us from extinction, so don't call me a Xian because I hate xianity and all that it stands for "Slavery", I worship no one and there is no god before me, I am my own god, I don't need a god to worship I acknowledge my creator and gave him a blood oath not to be a follower but to swear an allegiance against slavery. Anyways the point is don't be judgmental and who's side are you on anyways? People like you create wars over stupid shit, I mean really who gives a fuck anyways?
Y: I find it funny that now that you've sent this response, we are actually in agreement on more rather than less. You, apparently, are not reading what I wrote. I am now posting this on my page so if you choose to block at least you can see the reaction:
"First of all it's a link, I am not personally involved with the authors of this page,"
Then why in Hell would you post it on your page? Why would you endorse something without checking it out, and then get all pissed off when someone asks you about the endorsement you chose to make?
"second of all Satan is a mythical being and use of Satan is only as a representation of the satanic ideal of evil,"
EXACTLY! I could not agree more. Satan is a metaphor and true Satanists know this. Why, then, would you post/support info from a group of literal devil worshipers who actually believe in "Father Satan?"...and, again, get pissed when someone reads it and challenges you on it?
"third of all Satan does not exist nor does the Xian god, they are Xian names that were created to use in the religion of xianity and Jesus most likely never existed either, if indeed he did exist he was no miracle man."
Agreed. Again. And again, why did you post and endorse those who believe in a literal Satan?
"I personally am Sumerian which are the first god(s) ever before any other gods and the creator of humans never asked to be worshiped or anything of the such because he loved us as equals to himself, he never judged us and he saved us from extinction, so don't call me a Xian because I hate xianity and all that it stands for "Slavery","
I am not sure I understand, but that was never my point. I do not believe in any gods/devils/demons/angels/hobbits/faeries or external supernatural literal entities of any kind. I am a Satanist.
"I worship no one and there is no god before me, I am my own god, I don't need a god to worship I acknowledge my creator and gave him a blood oath not to be a follower but to swear an allegiance against slavery."
Ok, I totally do not get the need to take a blood oath to something to swear allegiance to nothing, but, hey, you're an adult and whatever floats your boat. However, these Joy of Satan people are advocating for children to take blood oaths to "Father Satan," to lie to their parents, to believe in all manner of imaginary shit---and it is severely dangerous and uncool and by posting what you did you are supporting that. I hope that wasn't your intent.
"Anyways the point is don't be judgmental and who's side are you on anyways? People like you create wars over stupid shit, I mean really who gives a fuck anyways?"
I am judgmental. As my own god and as a person on this planet I have both a right and obligation to use my judgment and power to expose and attack those who use my religion, the religion of Satanism, to break the law and humiliate those of us who practice this religion.
People like me, Sir, are the reason people like YOU can go about your business and not get persecuted for your beliefs. People like me are the one's who put it all on the line so that those following alternative religions get all the benefits the Constitution allows us. I don't know who you think I am, but I, Sir, am the person who keeps the cops, the legislatures, the courts, the TV producers, etc....in check so that people like you can enjoy your god-hood, instead of defending it.
28 years in the trenches, Sir, so that you can promote an organization that will re-awake the Satanic Panic and get decent people hurt.
I guess the question is, who's side are you on?
3:46 PM

I don't take much notice of people like this, I kn...

2008-11-28T19:13:00.000-08:00

I don't take much notice of people like this, I knew this particular group were try-hards but I didn't know they were anti-semitic.
O, how original.

Groups like these just cannot compare to the Church of Satan no matter how hard they try. The CoS has more professional websites, the literature, the interviews and the history. The message is getting across.

Non-Satanists can and do proudly state that they know what real Satanism is and that is has nothing to do with that crap. :P

I don't know why anyone interested in Satanism would possibly be attracted to people like that.
I've looked them up and it seems that very few people take them seriously anyway.

Perhaps they should just give up.